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Possible regulatory schemes for ensuring bitcoin taxation

Let me start this with two disclaimers: I am not a tax expert. This is conjecture, and there may be complex nuiances in tax law that I am not considering. All I know is that bitcoins, wheather you classify them as a currency or commodity, are subject to some kind of appreciation/capital gains tax. Furthermore, I am not a fan of taxes. I hate taxes just as much as the rest of you, and would love for bitcoin to be tax free forever.
However, I know that banks and other financial institutions are very hesitant to touch bitcoin with a 10 meter pole, and I want bitcoin to suceed. For this to happen, bitcoin needs to be brought into compliance with various capital gains tax laws in many countries all around the world. So I think understanding these scenarios and deleberately selecting among them is in the best interest of the bitcoin community.
There are two main scenarios that I want to consider, and which one we pick will affect either the fungiability of bitcoin or the ease of using it in commerce.
Both scenarios are the result of a short list of mandates involving bitcoin. Under scenario #1:
  1. Require bitcoin exchanges to collect TaxID or other information on customers.
  2. Require bitcoin exchanges to report all bitcoin purchases/sales to the government.
  3. Require merchants accpeting bitcoin to declare all sales to the government, including links to specific transactions in the blockchain and the dollar amount of goods sold.
  4. Require the government to process these reports, determine tax obligation, and send them to taxpayers.
Under Scenario #2: Same as above, but require all merchants accepting bitcoin to collect similar TaxID on all customers.
Here is an example under scenario #1:
1: A user buys bitcoin at a bitcoin exchange. The bitcoin exchange sends a report to the government, detailing the SSN or TaxID of taxpayer, total dollars paid, and total bitcoin recieved, and bitcoin transaction reference.
2: A user spends the bitcoin on goods and services. The bitcoin accepting merchant sends a report to the government, including the value of goods sold, bitcoins renderd, and bitcoin transaction reference.
3: IRS determines the identity of the taxpayer from previous transactions linking back to an exchange.
4: IRS calculates the gain or loss due to bitcoin appreciation/ depreciation and calculates tax liability.
5: IRS sends report to taxpayer.
Under this system, capital gains/appreciation taxes are guaranteed by the cooperation between the bitcoin exchange, bitcoin accepting merchant, and the IRS (or other tax authority) regardless of what the user does. It is simple for the user, imposes minimal costs for all businesses, and guarantees compliance with tax law. However, it will alter the fungiability of bitcoin: under this system: a bitcoin is no longer equal to a bitcoin, because the IRS is now watching it and whoever spends it at a store will have to pay taxes on the basis of all gains from since it was bought. A coin bought while the price was high will be worth more than a coin bought when the price was low, because they will produce different obligations upon spending them in a store. Is this a future that we can accept? I don't know.
On the other hand, scenario #2 has problems of its own. Lets follow the money:
1: User buys bitcoins at exchange, exchange reports sale to IRS
2: User buys goods or services from a merchant with bitcoins, but must provide taxID to the merchant.
3: Merchant reports the transaction and taxID to government (this could be an automated electronically).
4: IRS compiles all bitcoiin transaction for the user, calculates tax obligation, sends report to taxpayer.
So now the bitcoins are fungiable, equal in the eyes of the law, but now users must provide sensitive information to merchants. If customers provide fraudulent information to merchants, then they could escape taxation and even impose liabilities on people who have never heard of bitcoin. Merchants would need to collect identifying information on customers and verify their identity, which would defeat the whole purpose.
In conclusion, like I said in the beginning, for bitcoin to be wideley used, it needs the cooperation of banks and regulations that gurantee the status of bitcoin transactions, profits, and tax liabilities, both in terms of money and who is responsible for keeping what records. As I have shown, to guarantee tax payments on bitcoin gains, either merchants would have to verify the identities of users, or the fungibility of bitcoin would have to be compromised.
What do you all think?
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Possible regultory schemes involving taxtion of bitcoin appreciation.

Let me start this with two disclaimers: I am not a tax expert. This is conjecture, and there may be complex nuiances in tax law that I am not considering. Furthermore, I am not a fan of taxes. I hate taxes just as much as the rest of you, and would love for bitcoin to be tax free forever. However, I know that banks and other financial institutions are very hesitant to touch bitcoin with a 10 meter pole, and I want bitcoin to suceed. For this to happen, bitcoin needs to be brought into compliance with various tax laws in many countries all around the world. So I think understanding these scenarios and deleberately selecting among them is in the best interest of the bitcoin community.
There are two main scenarios that I want to consider, and which one we pick will affect either the fungiability of bitcoin or the ease of using it in commerce.
Both scenarios are the result of a short list of mandates involving bitcoin. Under scenario #1:
  1. Require bitcoin exchanges to collect TaxID or other information on taxpayers
  2. Require bitcoin exchanges to report all bitcoin purchases/sales to the government.
  3. Require merchants accpeting bitcoin to declare all sales to the government, including links to specific transactions in the blockchain and the dollar amount of goods sold.
  4. Require the government to process these reports, determine tax obligation, and send them to taxpayers.
Under Scenario #2: Same as above, but require all merchants accepting bitcoin to collect similar TaxID on all customers.
Here is an example under scenario #1:
1: A user buys bitcoin at a bitcoin exchange. The bitcoin exchange sends a report to the government, detailing the SSN or TaxID of taxpayer, total dollars paid, and total bitcoin recieved, and bitcoin transaction reference.
2: A user spends the bitcoin on goods and services. The bitcoin accepting merchant sends a report to the government, including the value of goods sold, bitcoins renderd, and bitcoin transaction reference.
3: IRS determines the identity of the taxpayer from previous transactions linking back to an exchange.
4: IRS calculates the gain or loss due to bitcoin appreciation/ depreciation and calculates tax liability.
5: IRS sends report to taxpayer.
Under this system, taxation is guaranteed by the cooperation between the bitcoin exchange, bitcoin accepting merchant, and the IRS (or other tax authority) regardless of what the user does. It is simple for the user, imposes minimal costs for all businesses, and guarantees compliance with tax law. However, it will alter the fungiability of bitcoin: under this system: a bitcoin is no longer equal to a bitcoin, because the IRS is now watching it and whoever spends it at a store will have to pay taxes on the basis of all gains from since it was bought. A coin bought while the price was high will be worth more than a coin bought when the price was low, because they will produce different obligations upon spending them in a store. Is this a future that we can accept? I don't know.
On the other hand, scenario #2 has problems of its own. Lets follow the money:
1: User buys bitcoins at exchange, exchange reports sale to IRS
2: User buys goods or services from a merchant with bitcoins, but must provide taxID to the merchant.
3: Merchant reports the transaction and taxID to government (this could be an automated electronically).
4: IRS compiles all bitcoiin transaction for the user, calculates tax obligation, sends report to taxpayer.
So now the bitcoins are fungiable, equal in the eyes of the law, but now users must provide sensitive information to merchants. If customers provide fraudulent information to merchants, then they could escape taxation and even impose liabilities on people who have never heard of bitcoin. Merchants would need to collect identifying information on customers and verify their identity, which would defeat the whole purpose.
In conclusion, like I said in the beginning, for bitcoin to be wideley used, it needs the cooperation of banks and regulations that gurantee the status of bitcoin transactions, profits, and tax liabilities, both in terms of money and who is responsible for keeping what records. As I have shown, to guarantee tax payments, either merchants would have to verify the identities of users, or the fungibility of bitcoin would have to be compromised.
What do you all think?
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Remember when Sean Spicer tweeted something that looked like a password? It was actually a reference to a Bitcoin transaction for $1.13. One of the addresses involved got over $22,000 dollars on March 3.

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Explain why it is computationally infeasible for anyone to generate a Bitcoin transaction that reference its own output as an input. /r/Bitcoin

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Why it is computationally infeasible for anyone to generate a Bitcoin transaction that references its own output as an input?


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Using references in order to compress the byte size of transactions /r/Bitcoin

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Bitcoin transaction instant? "Nothing ever happens instantly without tearing a hole in space-time. When you instantly hit the steering wheel column in a car crash it happens in a fraction of a second but we always refer to such events as instant." HUH?

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Does ethereum have an equivalent of bitcoin's compact blocks/xthin where propagated blocks do not include the transactions because the nodes already have them, instead they just reference them, shrinking the block by an order of magnitude or two?

If not, is this on the roadmap?
Seems like very low hanging fruit in the scaling wars....I only learnt about it yesterday and am wondering why all crypto doesn't do this by default!
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Lets stop referring to Bitcoin-BTC/Segwitcoin as a crypto currency. It can no longer be a currency because of AXA/BlockStream's policy of high fees and unreliable transactions. /r/btc

Lets stop referring to Bitcoin-BTC/Segwitcoin as a crypto currency. It can no longer be a currency because of AXA/BlockStream's policy of high fees and unreliable transactions. /btc submitted by ABitcoinAllBot to BitcoinAll [link] [comments]

How much to pay as a fee for a transaction to move Bitcoin? Does this reference site work?

Trying to get the greenaddress wallet to work. Seeing an error saying the fee is to low for a transfer. It was set to 'normal' transaction in the config.
This site: np//bitcoinfees.earn.com/#fees would suggest that the fee per kb should be about btc 0.0000033/kb for a quick throughput. So... why does GreenAddress say it is too low?
What are the average BTC/kBvalues for GreenAddress normal transactions?
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When I have a reference transaction ID at Kraken, is it possible to see what kind of transaction happened there? /r/Bitcoin

When I have a reference transaction ID at Kraken, is it possible to see what kind of transaction happened there? /Bitcoin submitted by BitcoinAllBot to BitcoinAll [link] [comments]

How much to pay as a fee for a transaction to move Bitcoin? Does this reference site work? /r/Bitcoin

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Is it possible to cancel a transaction erroneously forcing a double spend? Would anyone give me some explanation or reference? /r/Bitcoin

Is it possible to cancel a transaction erroneously forcing a double spend? Would anyone give me some explanation or reference? /Bitcoin submitted by BitcoinAllBot to BitcoinAll [link] [comments]

What would be the security implications of slicing the blockchain after every N blocks by creating a "reference block" containing all the transactions that are still present in the UTXO pool? /r/Bitcoin

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Can transactions in bitcoin refer in a compact way to old outputs or is everything very verbose?

Just curious, say we have 1 MB to work with as the blockchain. At the outer limits of this, a simple bitcoin transaction could be a set of inputs, a set of outputs, and some crypto to prove you have the keys to the inputs that you're moving around.
If we literally have to specify every address and the amounts and every output address and those amounts, then sign the thing, then the transactions are going to be pretty large by necessity.
But if we had a "code book" to look up addresses in, like ... the address mentioned as the 5th output in block #2011, plus the address mentioned as the 3rd output in block 4014, move this much bitcoin to this all new address: ___ , and send the rest (minus the fee) to the 6th output of block #3303, and then the fee explicitly is 0.002 bitcoin. And sign it, and done.
Wouldn't that save a lot of space? Does bitcoin do something like that or is there a BIP for saving space like that?
Thanks
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A BIP proposal for conveniently referring to confirmed transactions | Clark Moody | Jul 14 2017 /r/bitcoin_devlist

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